i think jack lew is an exceptionally good choice to be secretary of treasury. this is not about saving detroit. it's not about the banking system coming to collapse. we're in a fiscal and budgetary bind of historic proportion and it's going to be congress to a great degree and the white house. and i think that anybody who has been twice budget director, judy, 30 years ago, jack lew was negotiating for the speaker of the house o thomas p o'neill when they were doing the greenspan commission on social security between ronald reagan's white house and the democrats in the house. i mean his experience is-- he doesn't have pan ach, he doesn't have dash, he's not gng to give you, you know, two colourful things. he's to the going to talk off the record like that the. but i just think he is a great choice. >> quickly, some conversation this week about lack of diversity so far in the president's pick. should we be -- >> you know, ruth marcus said he should have had some binders full of women. you for example i do think ruth made the point that there is not a lot-- there'